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-: Probably really cliche,
but work hard and be nice to people.
(man laughs)
The classic poster.
-: I think I might have seen that
on a poster -: Yeah. I dunno where that is,
but I actually have it in my room as well.
It's really bad.
But it is sort of like just being a good person.
Like, just being nice to people will get you far.
-: The key to a successful career is hard work.
There's sort of no way to kind of sugarcoat that really.
You have to kind of put the effort in.
-: Work hard and hustle and try and learn
and practice and grow and develop as a person.
You've gotta build those skills.
If you went back to the beginning of my career,
I did logos for hairdressers, I did flyers,
I did some awful work.
But over time I learned and got better
and I was humble enough to know that I needed to do that.
-: You can tell instantly with someone
if they care about it or not and their passion
and I think that people would much rather work with someone
who's maybe not got the finessed details yet
but like really cares about it -: Yeah.
-: and passion,
-: Yeah.
-: actually does show through work.
I think you can literally see it on a page.
-: Do you wake up each day really excited
about what you're gonna do
and do you actually have fun?
-: Yeah, I think if you hate doing something then,
-: Yeah, don't do it.
-: Your work will reflect that.
-: If you don't love it,
then you might not be able to do it for a long time
because you are putting a bit of your heart and soul,
even though you don't want to do that.
-: Yeah. -: But you always do-
-: It's because it's there to be judged, as well.
-: It's there (laughs) for all see and all to judge.
-: I'm still like very early on in my career
so I dunno if I have the answer to that question. (laughs)
I will assume it's like not losing the spark
that you started with.
-: There is a kind of an optimism
to the fact we do make things
and we create and it's originating
and actually being able to kind of feed off that, I think
and keep that kind of energy going as well
is something that will always help
kind of drive you on even if there are some lows.
-: If you can see your career
as like a way of meeting interesting people,
making friends and making contacts,
learning from other people's skills
and seeing it just as that,
it's like actually, it's just like an extended version
of what we're doing at college or university.
-: I think it's an interesting question.
It's almost like a successful career
doesn't necessarily mean getting really high
and being like you're making your own agency
and doing all that stuff.
It's like you can be in a career for 30 years
and still be happy being a senior
or a junior or a midway or whatever.
It's like it kind of comes down
to identifying what you like to do.
-: When you think about a career,
it is very easy to get carried away
with things like money and success and titles.
One of the things that I think is really important
is reminding yourself what's important to you
from a values perspective.
-: If you can find a balance between your passion
and making money, then that's a perfect combination.
'Cause if you're too passionate about something,
that thing might not get you any monetary value.
But if you're too focused on the monetary stuff,
it might not give you enough passion to keep going.
-: It's like we've all gotta make money
and live our lives and pay mortgages
and look after our families
but if you're really into what you do, it stops being work.
It doesn't mean it's not hard
and you don't get stressed sometimes,
you get lost and all those things
but it's an amazing thing to be able to do.
So, I just embrace that.
-: Having a goal, having an end point,
and wanting to learn all the time.
-: I definitely wouldn't be in this position
if it wasn't for like the environment,
the people around you that also wanna be better
and push things.
You know, that's the rocket fuel I guess
to kind of get you to the top if that's what you so desire.
-: Yeah. You might not wanna get to the top.
-: Yeah, maybe you just wanna like, yeah, relax, do some,
-: Cool shit.
-: Yeah, do some cool shit.
-: Sometimes you've gotta take a chance.
The number of people who talk to me
about being in a situation where they might do something,
they could do something and then doubt creeps in
and indecision and they don't do that thing.
It's often better to try something
and it not quite work out and reset
then not to do it
because you're not pushing yourself forward.
It's not easy to do, but I think
if you can build a tolerance for
a degree of calculated risk,
it means you're much more likely to make leaps.
-: Remember that it takes time.
To not try and rush to the perceived finish line.
-: Careers are long, they're non-linear,
you might make sideways moves,
you might make diagonal moves, you might go down,
you might go up, you know, but just be
open to change.
-: I kind of in my head write lists of things
I like to do and I write lists of things
I don't like to do
and I try to do fewer of the things I don't like to do
and do more of the things I like to do.
Now that sounds really simplistic
but if you actually stop
and say, "What do I like doing?"
"What would I like to do more of?"
"What excites me?"
"Where do I get a buzz in what I'm creating?""
It'll help you, tell you where your career's going.
-: The way that the world is transforming,
industries are changing and advancing.
You very much have to change with the times
and if you don't, then you will struggle.
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