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-: I don't listen to advice.
("The Next Episode" playing) (group laughing)
Which is probably a big problem.
-: Bring a notebook to meetings. That's always a good one.
-: No matter what the problem, the answer's always out there.
-: Yeah. -: The skill
is in finding the answer.
-: That's a really good one, that.
-: Very insightful, Ben. I've gotta say.
Be the senior that you wanted when you were a junior.
-: Yeah, I've heard that.
-: That one is like, no matter how senior you get
you still have to be sympathetic
and empathetic to the people
who are just starting in the industry
and giving out a hand to them.
-: Like many women of my generation, I had
maybe suffered some kind of imposter syndrome,
that I don't think I see in the girls in the studio now.
And certainly not to the level
that a lot of my generation went through.
So, that piece of advice I wish I had had
to trust myself more, and to not worry
so much about what people thought,
and to be confident in your own beliefs,
and not to second guess.
-: Don't be afraid to ask for help.
Something I've had to learn is that asking for help
doesn't mean that you are doing any less of a good job.
-: Yeah.
-: But sometimes you need advice.
Sometimes you need help, 'cause you don't know everything.
I, someone I can't remember who, once told me
that a design studio is like a toolbox.
And that everyone is a tool within it,
and has therefore a specialty,
that you will never be as good at.
So you should use them.
Use the tools at your disposal.
-: Are we tools?
-: Yeah, yeah, you're just a tool.
Just a spike to me.
-: Mine's, it's from football actually.
And it was Billy Bremner, who was
the manager of Leeds United.
And it's side before self every time.
And it's the idea that the team, the entity,
and the group matters more than you personally.
And I think if you frame what you do
around how you do it together and teamwork
and supporting each other, everybody benefits.
-: Everyone has something that they can teach,
but everyone always has something that they can learn.
-: You'll never know everything.
Thinking that you will be able to do it
all yourself, will just never happen.
If you wanted to be an expert in all of those things
then you'll never go outside again.
-: It is tough at times, especially with deadlines.
-: Yeah. -: As long as you
remember that you need to be patient
and good things will come.
It will come to an end if something is very stressful
-: You have to have self-belief to be able to do it.
-: Yeah, that is important.
-: Don't get like disheartened too early.
You're gonna face bumps I think.
And, they won't all just be at the start.
They'll be throughout your career and life in general.
So, just stick with it.
-: Sometimes we always look to the future,
like oh what will happen and what will be my next project,
what I will be doing tomorrow?
And you're not really present.
So, just sometimes slow down and enjoy the moment.
-: The joy of creating for a living.
The joy of trying new things and learning
and being curious about the world, that never goes away.
And if you can stay in the moment
and stay in the process and stay in
what it feels like to create for a living,
then you, it's super fulfilling.
-: You know, you feel youthful.
It's kind of an eternal, I feel youthful.
-: Not (indistinct).
-: But it's kind of a fuel, right?
-: I think be brave essentially,
which is what we always talk about here.
To create something different.
It might not be right for this project,
you know it could be right for another project.
So, and it will get you somewhere.
-: Just remember artists,
nobody even cared about what they did
until a hundred years after they had passed on,
because people didn't get it at the time.
-: Yeah. -: So actually when you
feel like people are kind of judging
your approach to things, that it's a bit out there
or weird, it's 'cause it's uncomfortable
and it's different for them.
So, just be weirder. As always.
-: It's important to remember that
when you get hired into a place
you've been hired because you are who you are.
And having that confidence to bring that
into an agency when you come is really important.
-: Always ask to get paid.
(cash register dinging)
I take time to create a logo or a poster as you say.
And that time requires money.
Yeah. -: I like it.
-: No one does anything for free.
Elliot: Know your worth.
Karum: Yeah, you have to know your own worth.
-: Make everything that you do great.
Enjoy it. Find a new way of doing it.
So take ownership of it, there's a way
of doing everything a little bit better.
And, I just really like that idea
that we're always kind of positively reaching forward.
And that everything that we do,
in the studio with each other,
we can do a little bit better.
-: I've got another metaphor for you if you want.
-: What's the other metaphor?
Elliot: Be a swan.
Karum: Be a swan. Why?
-: 'Cause a swan, on top of the water
appears graceful and moves smoothly
-: Oh yeah, but underneath. -: on the water.
But underneath, they're actually kicking away.
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